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Unfortunately, our conversation has evolved to not include tulpas.
5:40 AM
We should leave this channel.
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It doesn't really matter to cards that he can't say what he wants to someone, it matters to him that there is something he can say and be 100% certain that such meaning is translated without error. The act of doing so results in some sort of high similar to smoking nicotine or perhaps a pleasant surprise.
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I just took a look in again at this point.
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Oh my apologies, I have to admit that cards is a tulpa.
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It may not be best in the tulpa discussion channel, yes.
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Or rather, he is not actively the default body-controller, but yes
5:43 AM
Sorry, I must have overlooked everything under that view of social instinct differences between personalities in the system.
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I do wonder if strange social behaviors tend to be inherited from host to tulpas, though.
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At the beginning, I think so.
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I do not doubt that some are.
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It is strange. Most socially awkward hosts I know, have awkward tulpas. Introverts have introverts.
5:44 AM
From only my experiences of course.
5:45 AM
I have no statistical evidence for this.
5:45 AM
Was Cards still wanting to collect data on the sex of the host influencing the tulpas behaviors?
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That was kind of the case for me, I think I was very timid and such. However I developed rather deliberately after a certain point so that I was flexible without having to risk too much the potential view of not being "genuine"
5:46 AM
If there is any data available to collect, that would be quite the gift for him yes.
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We could create the study together, and ask people to particapate in #tulpa-research , right?
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I am certainly far more introverted than Skye is.
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As far as inherited behaviors, some things are probably uniform in all members of a system, while the flexible parts are predictably at least the traits which are variable within the host personality among contexts. This gives a pretty close measure of how things can be close or different from person to person.
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This would also help us know if tulpas follow the host in being introvert or extroverted or not.
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Oh my goodness, that is an idea that would please him greatly.
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Yes. Our humour is similar to all of us.
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I have virtually no starting clues though, so if you know how we can gather useful data to analyze for the purpose of insight into that subject, please let me know whenever or wherever it's convenient. (edited)
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We should work on a way to collect the data, yes.
5:50 AM
We could run many tests if we can get participants.
5:51 AM
Errr. We could get the test that he wanted, and asked to be sent the results and compile them into a graph or something.
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Winter, I am a little curious, what do you say is "introvert"? I mean, rather, do you have an elaboration of the meaning you speak when saying "I am certainly far more introverted than Skye is."? (edited)
5:53 AM
Oh I beg your pardon Harleen, I do not remember the test he wanted.
5:53 AM
Oh my I was under the impression you were speaking of an entirely different subject of interest, Harleen.
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Ah. I need more alone time, and it is extremely rare that I enjoy talking to somebody for a long period or on a consistent basis.
5:54 AM
Most people annoy me.
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Interactive personality measuring the big five personality traits.
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Harleen, Okay, I know how we could conduct this research now, yes.
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This is the test he wanted.
5:55 AM
I do not think being annoyed by other's is introversion.
5:55 AM
My tulpa dislikes most people and is very extroverted.
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It is an aspect of it. Those traits, taken together, indicate introversion.
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I was thinking you were talking, forgive me, about how the host's gender may be strongly correlated to the gender and perceived "gendered" behaviors of the tulpa, depending on the specific experiences and possible biases held by the host initially.
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She needs a lot of social interaction, she is just unagreeable.
5:56 AM
Yes, Jasmine.
5:56 AM
Men and women tend to score differently on this test.
5:57 AM
I would think that many tulpas that are biologically male, but identify as female would score more like males.
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Winter, that's very interesting. So, conversely, Skye simply doesn't require that much alone time, and she has a larger frequency of speaking with the same people on a regular basis in an enjoyable manner. (edited)
5:57 AM
I believe that may still be strictly within the introverted description too, but less so.
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Skye enjoys her alone time, but needs fairly little. She would be happy to speak to many people on a constant basis... and I would not enjoy that.
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I would think a tulpa who has a host who is a transgender person who identifies as female would be more likely to score close to the average female, since MTF tend to have brains closer to biological women.
5:58 AM
I think this would be interesting to have this information on tulpas, so I would like to have this data compiled.
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She has social anxiety, but among those she doesn't feel anxious around, she spends a lot of time and tends to be a center of attention in group meets.
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I was under the impression that introverted people have the specific trait that socialization is a mentally draining task that will eventually lead to fatigue if not interrupted by periods of regenerative resting.
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That is how I feel, yes.
6:00 AM
I feel strained and very stressed without enough solitude. I can feel my shoulders become tense, and I get stress headaches.
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Everybody needs some amount of social interaction - and everybody needs some amount of alone time.
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My tulpa, on the other hand, gets anxiety from being alone too long.
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Perpetual interaction with others or perpetual alone time will lead to problems.
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Extroverted people express, conversely, an enhanced feeling of energy around others. Like they are drawing something.. from other people? Uhh, I am now aware that I don't know how extroverts work well enough to define it.
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"Too long" being much shorter than what is normal for people.
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My impression is that extroversion and introversion are mostly different proportions of what is ideal for the person.
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Right, while I understand the fatigue of interaction, and I remember hearing that simple trait analysis of introversion by a very educated doctor in psychology, I do not know what it means to "get energy from people" and how it could be possible that all extroverts experience no fatigue no matter how long they spend around others. (edited)
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Even if these interactions are unpleasant for her, which she tends to enjoy, as in a controversial argument where she is upset, she needs them to be happy.
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And, naturally, some traits are typical for the people typically considered to be extroverted or introverted.
6:03 AM
@Jas Too long in a high-energy state leads to fatigue.
6:03 AM
Even if that state is induced by the presence of other people.
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I would guess outside of physical limits. Suppose that sleep is included in this perpetual social engagement, I do not believe that a person could withstand perpetual group socialization for so long without fatigue in a mental way.
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Indeed.
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Here is what my tulpa scored some time ago on this test. As you can see, being introverted is not a requirement for not disliking other people.
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I know.
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I may be simply completely wrong because I don't understand how people work, but I don't see how someone could be this way. How interesting.
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I think it is a poor thing to define it in this way.
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...as I mentioned, that is part of it - in my experience, introverted individuals (including myself) tend to dislike people more on average.
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I would agree it is more common to be introverted and to dislike others.
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It is by no means a primary defining factor.
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Err, I misunderstood. When you said it is a part of it, I felt that implied that was always the case.
6:06 AM
Apologies.
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Hmm, yes, extraversion and lack of agreeableness don't necessarily have to be related. I would probably identify this person as the one who honks in traffic to inform others of their general inconvenience, who has choice words in any social context where conflict may be warranted.
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I will let her retake the test, over a year later and compare results.
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I wonder if that-- huh, maybe that does predict behavior like that.
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Ah - I meant that it is one of the things that I consider to signify that I am introverted.
6:07 AM
I could get along with people fairly easily. But I don't, and I don't care to for the vast majority.
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I really do like people, but because I tire out when I'm in public situations I am by default introverted. My host is as well, I assume, and likely more than me.
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Skye is anxious in public and around people she doesn't know, unless she has a person that she feels safe around.
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Harleen, do you remember if we took the test before?
6:10 AM
Ah, that sounds a whole lot like my host, winter.
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However, she greatly enjoys interaction with people and actively seeks it out on a daily basis - near-daily in the case of physical interaction.
6:11 AM
Here is the new results.
6:11 AM
She is not a zero on agreeableness.
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He entered high school one year after his brothers did, and he found them and stayed there whenever he had the freedom to be with them in their social group.
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That is a start.
6:12 AM
Conscientiousness seems to be the largest change.
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It was much easier than the previous year, where he was on his own and had to learn socialization from scratch. He just stayed with his brothers whenever possible and filled the context of "little brother" for almost everyone. It was a successful strategy.
6:14 AM
That's quite interesting. I do not think cards craves interaction in general. He can even become isolated without too much issue, it just doesn't do to be isolated during times of crisis or extreme hardship.
6:16 AM
I could swear I have a test somewhere
6:16 AM
I can't find where the results of our tests are
6:18 AM
Mine has changed much more than her's.
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>>_<< I guess I didn't have to try and see if there was more comparative information to use against the data of the test as a sort of reference between our knowledge and the results
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Err. I thought you had taken it.
6:18 AM
I do believe my agreeableness used to be a 100.
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